MISCONCEPTION - VIRAT YUDH IS AN INTERPOLATION,LOL
The blorndies have completely lost it.Seems like they are bent on getting hammered every time.The latest invention by these scientists is that the battle at Matsya is a later addition to the original epic.They have given many foolish reasons for justifying this propaganda.This thread is meant to blow all these foolish theories and propagandas of Karna lovers.
THIS THREAD IS DIVIDED INTO FOUR PARTS -
PART 1)MENTIONS OF VIRAT WAR AT MANY PLACES IN MAHABHARAT.
PART 2)REGARDING THE ERRORS POINTED OUT BY KARNA LOVERS IN VIRAT PARVA.
PART 3)EXPOSING THE FOOLISH PROPAGANDAS OF KARNA LOVERS ABOUT VIRAT WAR.
PART 4)EXPOSING OTHER CLAIMS BY KARNA LOVERS REGARDING VIRAT WAR.
Okay,So lets being,
May welfare attend on all Beings....
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PART 1)MENTIONS OF VIRATA WAR AT MANY PLACES IN MAHABHARAT.
If any particular event is interpolated,it does not appear at other places in the epic.For Eg: If Virat yudh is an interpolation,then the interpolator would have added it in some chapters of Virata Parva.
But Virata Yudha has been mentioned at many many places in Mahabharat apart from Virata Parva,Because it really happened,that's why discussed at many places in the epic apart from Virata Parva.
>> 1) ADI PARVA,DHRITRASHTRA LAMENTS OVER DEFEATS OF ALL HIS MEN AT VIRAT -
Narrative:
When I heard that the principal men of my side had all been vanquished by the noble Arjuna with a single chariot while residing in the dominions of Virata, then, O Sanjaya, I had no hope of success.
www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m01/m01002.htm
>> 2) UDYOGA PARVA,ARJUNA TELLS ABOUT VIRATA WAR TO RUKMI -
Narrative:
When, again, at Virata's city I fought with the numberless Kurus, who was my ally in that battle?
www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m05/m05159.htm
>> 3) UDYOGA PARVA,LORD KRISHNA TELLS ABOUT ARJUN'S SINGLE HANDED FEAT AT VIRATA -
Narrative:
Among the celestials, Asuras, and men, among Yakshas, Gandharvas, and Nagas, I do not find the person that can encounter Arjuna in battle. That wonderful story which is heard of an encounter in the city of Virata between a single person on one side and innumerable warriors on the other, is sufficient proof of this. That ye all fled in all directions being routed in the city of Virata by that son of Pandu singly, is sufficient proof of this. Might, prowess, energy, speed, lightness of hand, indefatiguableness, and patience are not to be found in any one else save Partha.'
www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m05/m05059.htm
>> 4) UDYOGA PARVA,LORD KRISHNA AGAIN MENTIONS ABOUT THE SINGLE HANDED FEAT OF ARJUN AT VIRATA -
Narrative:
Then also the marvellous account that is heard of what happened at Virata's city, touching that encounter between one and many, is sufficient proof of this, Hopest thou to vanquish in battle Arjuna who when excited with rage is invincible, irresistible, ever-victorious, and undeteriorating Arjuna, that hero, who gratified the God of gods, Siva himself in fight?
www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m05/m05124.htm
>> 5) DRONA PARVA, AGAIN A MENTION OF VIRAT WAR WHERE ALL KAURAVAS WERE DEFEATED -
Narrative:
He who had vanquished in Matsya's city all the Kauravas assembled together for seizing Virata's kine, that Partha, by good luck, liveth still.
www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m07/m07124.htm
>> 6) KARNA PARVA,SALYA MENTIONS THE DEFEAT OF BHISHMA,DRONA,KARNA AND OTHERS AGAINST ARJUNA AT VIRAT YUDH-
Narrative:
Why didst thou not slay Partha at Virata's city when thou hadst the advantage of being protected by Drona and Drona's son and Kripa and Bhishma and the other Kauravas? There where, like a pack of jackals defeated by a lion, ye all were defeated with great slaughter by the diadem-decked Arjuna, what became of your prowess? Beholding also thy brother slain by Savyasaci, in the very sight of the Kuru heroes, it was thou that didst fly away first.
www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m08/m08041.htm
>> 7) KARNA PARVA,LORDY KARNA HIMSELF ACCEPTS THAT ARJUN DEFEATED HIM IN VIRATA BATTLE -
Narrative:
So also, in Virata's city, moving on a single car he vanquished all of us, and snatched from us that wealth of kine, and took from all the foremost of car-warriors (portions of) their garments.
www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m08/m08079.htm
>> 8) DRONA PARVA,KRIPACHARYA REMINDS KARNA OF THE DEFEAT WHICH THEY FACED IN VIRATA WAR -
Narrative:
In Virata's city also, all the Kauravas, united together, including thyself and thy younger brother were vanquished by Partha in battle. Thou art not a match for even one of the sons of Pandu, viz., Phalguna, on the field of battle.
www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m07/m07154.htm
>> 9)BHISHMA PARVA,GRANDSIRE BHISHMA MENTIONS THAT HE,DRONA,KARNA AND OTHERS WERE DEFEATED BY ARJUNA AT VIRAT WAR -
Narrative:
In Virata's city, alone he fell upon all of us united together. That is a sufficient indication. Vanquishing in battle both Drona and myself excited with rage, he took away our robes. That is a sufficient indication. On that occasion, of old, of the seizure of kine, he vanquished that mighty bowman the son of Drona, and Saradwat also. That is a sufficient indication. Having vanquished Karna also who is very boastful of his manliness, he gave the latter's robes unto Uttara.
www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m06/m06099.htm
>> 10)UDYOGA PARVA,ARJUNA MENTIONS ABOUT VIRATA YUDH -
Narrative:
having Vasudeva for my ally, and bearing, besides the bow called Gandiva, how can I say that I am afraid? O hero, when on the occasion of the tale 'of cattle
www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m05/m05159.htm
>> 11)UDYOGA PARVA,KARNA DENYING THE PEACE OFFER,SO BHISHMA REMINDS HIM OF WHAT HAPPENED AT MASTYA-
Narrative:
"Bhishma said, 'What is the use of thy talking, O Radha's son? Thou shouldst remember that occasion when Pritha's son, single-handed, over-powered in battle six car-warriors. If we do not act as this Brahmana hath said, to be sure, we shall be all slain by him in battle!"
www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m07/m07198.htm
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THERE ARE MANY MORE MENTIONS OF VIRATA YUDHA THROUGHOUT THE MAHABHARAT,THESE WERE JUST FEW,THERE IS NO CHANCE THAT VIRAT YUDHA CAN BE A LATER FABRICATION.
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PART 2)REGARDING THE ERRORS POINTED OUT BY KARNA LOVERS IN VIRATA PARVA.
Karna lovers have pointed out couple of errors in Virat Parva,through which they are trying to catch the interpolator who did the mischief.
Let's clarify these errors quickly -
>>> 1) Just Before Virata yudha started,Arjuna says that he held Gandiva for 65 years,and the time difference between Virat Yudha and Khandava Dahan(When Arjuna obtained Gandiva) is much less than 65 years,so in this way the blorndies think that they have caught the interpolators -
Below is the Narrative:
"Shiva held it first for a thousand years. Afterwards Prajapati held it for five hundred and three years. After that Sakra, for five and eighty years. And then Soma held it for five hundred years. And after that Varuna held it for a hundred years. And finally Partha, surnamed Swetavahana, hath held it for five and sixty years"
www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m04/m04043.htm
CLARIFICATION -
We are slightly misinterpreting the Sloka,here Arjuna meant that Prajapati held Gandiva for 503 years,Indra held it for 85 years,Chandra for 500 years,then Varuna for 100 years and finally he(Partha) is ORDAINED TO HOLD IT FOR 65 YEARS.
65 years is the total time for which Arjuna will be holding the Gandiva Bow.
Time Difference between Khandava Dahan and Swargarohan ~ 65 Years,for which Arjuna held the Gandiva bow,No Reason to believe otherwise
>>> 2) In Virata Yudha,Arjuna called Karna 'Son of Surya',how was he aware of Karna's secret ? Blorndies think that they again caught the interpolator here.
Below is the Narrative:
There, that warrior whose flag beareth the device of a stout chord for binding elephants, is Karna, the son of Vikartana, already known to thee.
CLARIFICATION -
The 'So Called' secret of Karna that he was Son of Surya was not really a Secret.There are many evidences in Mahabharat for this.
>>> DURYODHAN KNEW THAT KARNA WAS THE SON OF SURYA(VIKARTANA) -
Narrative 1:
Myself, Vikartana's son, Karna, Chitrasena, Vivinsati, Bhurisravas, Sala, Salya, the invincible Vrishasena, Purumitra, Jaya, Bhoja, Sudakshina the ruler of the Kamvojas, Satyavrata, the mighty-armed
www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m07/m07071.htm
Narrative 2:
Indeed, O monarch, thy son Suyodhana said unto Karna, 'O son of Vikartana, that time of battle hath come at last.
www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m07/m07141.htm
>>> EVEN YUDHISTHIR KNEW THAT KARNA WAS VIKARTANA SON'S -
Narrative:
Yudhishthira said, 'There where Bhishma and Drona and Drona's son and the son of Vikartana and Kripa and king Duryodhana and other royal and
www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m04/m04067.htm
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PART 3)EXPOSING THE FOOLISH PROPAGANDAS OF KARNA LOVERS ABOUT VIRATA WAR.
Karna lovers using their logic have raised some issues or rather propagandas regarding Virata war being a later addition,lets blow all the propagandas,one by one :P
Below are the claims by Karna Lovers -
>>> 1) Bhishma didn't allow Karna to fight in kurushetra war... Then why he allowed Karna to fight in Virat war...??
REFUTATION -
Bhishma never stopped Karna from participating in Kurukshetra war,Karna just out his ego refused to fight under Bhishma [Udyoga Parva,Chapter 62]
>>> 2) All parshuram shishya never attacked on enuch... Bhishma dropped weapons against Shikhandi... Then why he took weapons against Brihnalla(enuch) ...?
REFUTATION -
As per BORI Critical,Arjuna was never cursed to be eunuch.As per KMG,the term of Arjun's curse was already completed,so he was no longer an eunuch.Apart from this,Bhishma,Drona,Karna and all present on the battlefield had recognized Arjuna who was not an eunuch.
Nowhere written that Parshuram Shishya dropped weapons against Eunuch,Did Karna or Drona drop their weapons against Shikhandi ?
>>> 3)Karna had shakti in virat war... Still why he didn't used it in virat war...?
REFUTATION -
There can be many reasons -
1)Karna did not carry the Amogha Shakti in Virata yudha,it's evident that Shakti(A kind of Spear) was a physical weapon and not discharged using mantras,Karna might have not carried that in Virat Yudh.
2)Karna wanted to defeat Arjuna with his skill and not using a 'cheat code' to kill him,after Virat when he realized that he cannot defeat Arjuna using skill,he decided resorting to amogha shakti
>>> 4)Arjun couldn't defeat Bhagdatta in digvijay in 10 days.... How he defeated all kuru warriors in just half day ..?
REFUTATION -
Bhagadatta was invincible due to boon.Apart from that,During Virata war Arjun was much more powerful,he underwent training under Devas and Mahadeva.In Kurukshetra,Bhagadatta was defeated easily by Arjuna.
>>> 5) All kuru warriors attacked on virata & stolen their cows... Was hastinapur so poor country to attack on virata just for cows ....?
REFUTATION -
All this was pretty common those days,snatching cows,wealth,subjugating lands.This was the way through which the country used to grow.It does not mean hastinapur was poor.Virata had thousands of cows of various species.
>>> 6)Commander of Vitata, Keechak was already killed by bhima, hence virat was powerless country... Still Duryodhana need group of warriors like Bhishma, Karna, Drona & Ashwatthama to defeat poor king like Virat... LOL ... Does it make any sense ...?
REFUTATION -
Duryodhan was that person who took 80000 car warriors,30000 elephants,9000 horses and 1000k soldiers when he used to go out for a Picnic at dvaita forest,which unfortunately turned out to be his worst nightmare.And especially after seeing his large army compromised in the absence of Bhishma,Drona and Ashathama,it became imperative for him to bring his best men with him when he was going to Subjugate a kingdom and at the same time he was also expecting to see Pandavas.He had already witnessed the flop show of his brothers and Karna against Gandharvas.
>>> 7) In virat war, Under protection of hanuman he defeated all kuru warriors easily but what happened in kurushetra..? -- He slew Bhishma, Karna, Bhurishrava & Bhagdatta by cheating ...
REFUTATION -
Hanuman was not on Arjuna's flag during Virata war,Arjuna defeated all warriors on his own might.Even in Kurukshetra war,hanuman ji never protected Arjuna,nowhere written.
He did the same in Kurukshetra too,Defeated Bhishma on 2nd and 3rd day.Defeated Bhurisravas on 3rd day.Defeated Karna many times on 14th and 15th day,as badly as in Virat Yudha.While Bhagadatta was killed in one shot after losing Vaishnava Weapon.
They were killed unfairly because -
1)Bhishma : Killed as per the Boon of Shiva to Shikhandi
2)Karna : Killed as per the curse of Brahmin to Karna
3)Bhurisravas : Ordained to be killed by Satyaki but Satyaki,though a better warrior could have not killed him in fair fight due to Shiva's boon with Bhurisravas.
(Boons as curses needed to be fulfilled,Lord Krishna's decision)
>>> 8) In kurushetra, Arjun dropped weapons seeing Bhishma & Drona.. Then he need Gita Gyan... In virat war, Without Gita gyan he fought with Bhishma & nearly slew him... Does it make any sense ..?
REFUTATION -
A Very common question asked by people who believe Virat Yudha is later addition.
Let me explain,
Time is the greatest healer for any great injury or loss.Kurukshetra was fought several months after Virat.
Virat Yudh came at a time when Arjuna was still reeling in anger at the humiliation meted out to Draupadi and the Pandavas after the game of dice. His anger was not just targeted at Duryodhana or Dushasana, but also at Drona and Bhishma for remaning silent during the disrobing.
At the same time,he was also aware that this was not a war to death.He won't need to kill Bhishma and Drona to end this war.Neither would Bhishma or Drona try to kill him.His aim was just to protect the cattles and uttar,and teach the Kauravas a lesson.
But in Kurukshetra,the scene was much different.To end Kurukshetra,it was necessary for Arjuna to kill Bhishma,Drona,Kripa,Salya and other loved ones.A defeat of them could not have settled the matter this time.They had to be terminated this time,this is what's ordained.Lord Krishna sees him loosing strength and willingness to fight, he gives him what is known as “Gita Gyan”
>>> 9) Why king Virat allowed Uttar to fight against entire kuru army..?? ..... Was uttar such powerful warrior able to defeat entire kuru army ...?? ... Does it make any sense..?
REFUTATION -
King Virata never allowed Uttar to fight because King Virata was not in the palace to give uttar the permission.He was engaged with trigartas that time.Uttar himself was boasting that he will vanquish all the foes but he does not have a charioteer,so Sairandari(Draupadi) suggested that Brihanalla(Arjuna) could become his charioteer.
>>> 10) Pandava completed their exile successfully... Still Arjun without any reason disguised as 'Enuch Brihnalla' ... Why...?
REFUTATION -
The exile of Pandavas was completed only 5 days before Virat war(As Per Solar Calendar).Pandavas had decided a specific day when they were going to reveal themselves to Virat King.Yudhisthir's dice game earning had enabled them to purchase royal garments and jewellery.They attired themselves in royal garments and sat in Virat's council.They were not desperates to start enjoying the luxuries as soon and their term of exile is over.
>>> 11) Was sammohan astra such mighty weapon so all kuru warriors including Bhishma, Drona, Karna, Ashwatthama failed to counter it..?... Drona neutralised sammohan astra in kurushetra but why he failed in Virat war..? ... Why arjun not used sammohan astra in kurushetra again ..??
REFUTATION -
Sanmohan astra did not affected Bhishma.The Sanmohan weapon shot in Kurukshetra was shot by Drishtdyumna on Kauravas and not on Drona,and preceptor brought back them back to senses using Prajna Weapon.
Arjun shot Sammohan astra in Virat to end the war,as he did not wanted to kill any of them,he just needed to rescue the cattle.That was the aim of Virat Yudh.
The Kurukshetra war did not needed the Kurus to be rendered senseless,but their death.
>>> 12)All pandava supported Arjuna in drupad war ... Then why yudhistira allowed Arjuna to fight against all kuru maharathi alone ..??
REFUTATION -
Yudhisthir was not present in the palace to permit Arjuna for fighting alone with Kuru warriors.Yudhisthir,Bhima,Twins and king Virata were engaged in a war with the Trigartas who attacked from Northern side.
>>> 13) Why not even single important kuru warrior was slain by Arjun in virat war ..?? ... He couldn't kill any warrior just defeat them ..??
REFUTATION -
- Arjuna never wanted to kill Bhishma,Drona or Kripa,it's evident from Geeta Gyan need to Arjuna.
- Neither he really wanted to kill Ashwathama,they both respected each other.They were not enemies.
- Arjuna could not have killed Duryodhan and his 99 brothers due to the vow of Bhimasena.
- Neither Shakuni,due to Sahdeva's vow.
- Only Karna was the one in Dangerzone :P But he did not killed Karna as he was fighting for Virata and he needed the permission of King Virat to kill another king(King of Anga).
>>> 14) Arjuna was defeated by robbers & failed to save vrishni women from ordinary robbers ?? ... How he managed to rescue all cows from entire kuru army ..??.. LOL
REFUTATION -
Really foolish claim,has been discussed upteen times,that Arjuna lost divine weapons and strength as his purpose on earth was completed and Kaliyuga had started which had many restrictions.Apart from this,the Vrishni women were cursed to get caught in the hands of robbers,neither could the robbers defeat Arjuna when he was practically weaponless.
EXCEPT FEW, REST ALL CLAIMS WERE REALLY STUPID WHICH PROVE THAT THESE KARNA LOVERS HAVEN'T EVEN STUDIED MAHABHARAT PROPERLY.ONLY READ THOSE PORTIONS WHICH GLORIFY THEIR OVER GLORIFIED HERO :P
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PART 4)EXPOSING OTHER CLAIMS BY KARNA LOVERS REGARDING VIRAT WAR.
1) SUDDEN APPEARENCE OF DURGA WORSHIP IN VIRATA PARVA,HENCE IT'S INTERPOLATED -
These things are pretty common in epics,the chapter 6 of Virata Parva is a durga glorifying chapter which mentions the Mahishasura story too.A chapter having worship of Durga in Virat Parva does not mean that entire Parva is an interpolation.
Even Bhishma Parva has Durga worship,Arjuna wrote and sang a stotram for Maa Durga.By the logic of Blorndies,even Bhishma Parva would be interpolation then.
There are several Shiva and Narayana glorifying chapters in Mahabharat which point towards their worship,it does not mean they are fake.The last two chapters of Drona Parva point towards shiva worship,it does not mean they are fake or Drona Parva is interpolation.
None of the scholars have been able to prove that Virata war is interpolation.Because it's very much a part of the original epic.
2) MAHABHARAT VERSIONS REMOVING VIRATA YUDHA -
All versions of Ved Vyas Mahabharat have Virata Yudha and defeats of Kauravas and Karna.Only the Mahabharat 'RETELLINGS' written by some Pseudo writers of Kaliyuga who can't digest their heroes (Who actually are Villains) defeats have omitted Virat battle and also fabricated an altogether different version of Kurukshetra battle.
Some of these Pseudo re tellings are by - Devdutt Patanaik,Anand Neelkanthan,RC Dutta etc
Retelling means when another author understands a subjects and writes on the basis of his understanding.He might omit or fabricate things as per his likings.
While Translation means converting the Original Sanskrit Verses into Hindi or English,For Eg: KMG,Geeta Press,Debroy,MN Dutt etc.
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VERDICT -
Virata Battle is very much a part of original epic,infact through this battle only Duryodhan came to know about the Pandavas who had just completed their incognito stay.The battle has been mentioned upteen times later in the epic and many events later are connected through this battle,like Karna's ignorance when Dhrupad's purohit came as peace messenger to hastinapur,getting bashed by many for his defeats in this battle etc.
~PG
The blorndies have completely lost it.Seems like they are bent on getting hammered every time.The latest invention by these scientists is that the battle at Matsya is a later addition to the original epic.They have given many foolish reasons for justifying this propaganda.This thread is meant to blow all these foolish theories and propagandas of Karna lovers.
THIS THREAD IS DIVIDED INTO FOUR PARTS -
PART 1)MENTIONS OF VIRAT WAR AT MANY PLACES IN MAHABHARAT.
PART 2)REGARDING THE ERRORS POINTED OUT BY KARNA LOVERS IN VIRAT PARVA.
PART 3)EXPOSING THE FOOLISH PROPAGANDAS OF KARNA LOVERS ABOUT VIRAT WAR.
PART 4)EXPOSING OTHER CLAIMS BY KARNA LOVERS REGARDING VIRAT WAR.
Okay,So lets being,
May welfare attend on all Beings....
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PART 1)MENTIONS OF VIRATA WAR AT MANY PLACES IN MAHABHARAT.
If any particular event is interpolated,it does not appear at other places in the epic.For Eg: If Virat yudh is an interpolation,then the interpolator would have added it in some chapters of Virata Parva.
But Virata Yudha has been mentioned at many many places in Mahabharat apart from Virata Parva,Because it really happened,that's why discussed at many places in the epic apart from Virata Parva.
>> 1) ADI PARVA,DHRITRASHTRA LAMENTS OVER DEFEATS OF ALL HIS MEN AT VIRAT -
Narrative:
When I heard that the principal men of my side had all been vanquished by the noble Arjuna with a single chariot while residing in the dominions of Virata, then, O Sanjaya, I had no hope of success.
www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m01/m01002.htm
>> 2) UDYOGA PARVA,ARJUNA TELLS ABOUT VIRATA WAR TO RUKMI -
Narrative:
When, again, at Virata's city I fought with the numberless Kurus, who was my ally in that battle?
www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m05/m05159.htm
>> 3) UDYOGA PARVA,LORD KRISHNA TELLS ABOUT ARJUN'S SINGLE HANDED FEAT AT VIRATA -
Narrative:
Among the celestials, Asuras, and men, among Yakshas, Gandharvas, and Nagas, I do not find the person that can encounter Arjuna in battle. That wonderful story which is heard of an encounter in the city of Virata between a single person on one side and innumerable warriors on the other, is sufficient proof of this. That ye all fled in all directions being routed in the city of Virata by that son of Pandu singly, is sufficient proof of this. Might, prowess, energy, speed, lightness of hand, indefatiguableness, and patience are not to be found in any one else save Partha.'
www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m05/m05059.htm
>> 4) UDYOGA PARVA,LORD KRISHNA AGAIN MENTIONS ABOUT THE SINGLE HANDED FEAT OF ARJUN AT VIRATA -
Narrative:
Then also the marvellous account that is heard of what happened at Virata's city, touching that encounter between one and many, is sufficient proof of this, Hopest thou to vanquish in battle Arjuna who when excited with rage is invincible, irresistible, ever-victorious, and undeteriorating Arjuna, that hero, who gratified the God of gods, Siva himself in fight?
www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m05/m05124.htm
>> 5) DRONA PARVA, AGAIN A MENTION OF VIRAT WAR WHERE ALL KAURAVAS WERE DEFEATED -
Narrative:
He who had vanquished in Matsya's city all the Kauravas assembled together for seizing Virata's kine, that Partha, by good luck, liveth still.
www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m07/m07124.htm
>> 6) KARNA PARVA,SALYA MENTIONS THE DEFEAT OF BHISHMA,DRONA,KARNA AND OTHERS AGAINST ARJUNA AT VIRAT YUDH-
Narrative:
Why didst thou not slay Partha at Virata's city when thou hadst the advantage of being protected by Drona and Drona's son and Kripa and Bhishma and the other Kauravas? There where, like a pack of jackals defeated by a lion, ye all were defeated with great slaughter by the diadem-decked Arjuna, what became of your prowess? Beholding also thy brother slain by Savyasaci, in the very sight of the Kuru heroes, it was thou that didst fly away first.
www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m08/m08041.htm
>> 7) KARNA PARVA,LORDY KARNA HIMSELF ACCEPTS THAT ARJUN DEFEATED HIM IN VIRATA BATTLE -
Narrative:
So also, in Virata's city, moving on a single car he vanquished all of us, and snatched from us that wealth of kine, and took from all the foremost of car-warriors (portions of) their garments.
www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m08/m08079.htm
>> 8) DRONA PARVA,KRIPACHARYA REMINDS KARNA OF THE DEFEAT WHICH THEY FACED IN VIRATA WAR -
Narrative:
In Virata's city also, all the Kauravas, united together, including thyself and thy younger brother were vanquished by Partha in battle. Thou art not a match for even one of the sons of Pandu, viz., Phalguna, on the field of battle.
www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m07/m07154.htm
>> 9)BHISHMA PARVA,GRANDSIRE BHISHMA MENTIONS THAT HE,DRONA,KARNA AND OTHERS WERE DEFEATED BY ARJUNA AT VIRAT WAR -
Narrative:
In Virata's city, alone he fell upon all of us united together. That is a sufficient indication. Vanquishing in battle both Drona and myself excited with rage, he took away our robes. That is a sufficient indication. On that occasion, of old, of the seizure of kine, he vanquished that mighty bowman the son of Drona, and Saradwat also. That is a sufficient indication. Having vanquished Karna also who is very boastful of his manliness, he gave the latter's robes unto Uttara.
www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m06/m06099.htm
>> 10)UDYOGA PARVA,ARJUNA MENTIONS ABOUT VIRATA YUDH -
Narrative:
having Vasudeva for my ally, and bearing, besides the bow called Gandiva, how can I say that I am afraid? O hero, when on the occasion of the tale 'of cattle
www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m05/m05159.htm
>> 11)UDYOGA PARVA,KARNA DENYING THE PEACE OFFER,SO BHISHMA REMINDS HIM OF WHAT HAPPENED AT MASTYA-
Narrative:
"Bhishma said, 'What is the use of thy talking, O Radha's son? Thou shouldst remember that occasion when Pritha's son, single-handed, over-powered in battle six car-warriors. If we do not act as this Brahmana hath said, to be sure, we shall be all slain by him in battle!"
www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m07/m07198.htm
.
.
.
THERE ARE MANY MORE MENTIONS OF VIRATA YUDHA THROUGHOUT THE MAHABHARAT,THESE WERE JUST FEW,THERE IS NO CHANCE THAT VIRAT YUDHA CAN BE A LATER FABRICATION.
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PART 2)REGARDING THE ERRORS POINTED OUT BY KARNA LOVERS IN VIRATA PARVA.
Karna lovers have pointed out couple of errors in Virat Parva,through which they are trying to catch the interpolator who did the mischief.
Let's clarify these errors quickly -
>>> 1) Just Before Virata yudha started,Arjuna says that he held Gandiva for 65 years,and the time difference between Virat Yudha and Khandava Dahan(When Arjuna obtained Gandiva) is much less than 65 years,so in this way the blorndies think that they have caught the interpolators -
Below is the Narrative:
"Shiva held it first for a thousand years. Afterwards Prajapati held it for five hundred and three years. After that Sakra, for five and eighty years. And then Soma held it for five hundred years. And after that Varuna held it for a hundred years. And finally Partha, surnamed Swetavahana, hath held it for five and sixty years"
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CLARIFICATION -
We are slightly misinterpreting the Sloka,here Arjuna meant that Prajapati held Gandiva for 503 years,Indra held it for 85 years,Chandra for 500 years,then Varuna for 100 years and finally he(Partha) is ORDAINED TO HOLD IT FOR 65 YEARS.
65 years is the total time for which Arjuna will be holding the Gandiva Bow.
Time Difference between Khandava Dahan and Swargarohan ~ 65 Years,for which Arjuna held the Gandiva bow,No Reason to believe otherwise
>>> 2) In Virata Yudha,Arjuna called Karna 'Son of Surya',how was he aware of Karna's secret ? Blorndies think that they again caught the interpolator here.
Below is the Narrative:
There, that warrior whose flag beareth the device of a stout chord for binding elephants, is Karna, the son of Vikartana, already known to thee.
CLARIFICATION -
The 'So Called' secret of Karna that he was Son of Surya was not really a Secret.There are many evidences in Mahabharat for this.
>>> DURYODHAN KNEW THAT KARNA WAS THE SON OF SURYA(VIKARTANA) -
Narrative 1:
Myself, Vikartana's son, Karna, Chitrasena, Vivinsati, Bhurisravas, Sala, Salya, the invincible Vrishasena, Purumitra, Jaya, Bhoja, Sudakshina the ruler of the Kamvojas, Satyavrata, the mighty-armed
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Narrative 2:
Indeed, O monarch, thy son Suyodhana said unto Karna, 'O son of Vikartana, that time of battle hath come at last.
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>>> EVEN YUDHISTHIR KNEW THAT KARNA WAS VIKARTANA SON'S -
Narrative:
Yudhishthira said, 'There where Bhishma and Drona and Drona's son and the son of Vikartana and Kripa and king Duryodhana and other royal and
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PART 3)EXPOSING THE FOOLISH PROPAGANDAS OF KARNA LOVERS ABOUT VIRATA WAR.
Karna lovers using their logic have raised some issues or rather propagandas regarding Virata war being a later addition,lets blow all the propagandas,one by one :P
Below are the claims by Karna Lovers -
>>> 1) Bhishma didn't allow Karna to fight in kurushetra war... Then why he allowed Karna to fight in Virat war...??
REFUTATION -
Bhishma never stopped Karna from participating in Kurukshetra war,Karna just out his ego refused to fight under Bhishma [Udyoga Parva,Chapter 62]
>>> 2) All parshuram shishya never attacked on enuch... Bhishma dropped weapons against Shikhandi... Then why he took weapons against Brihnalla(enuch) ...?
REFUTATION -
As per BORI Critical,Arjuna was never cursed to be eunuch.As per KMG,the term of Arjun's curse was already completed,so he was no longer an eunuch.Apart from this,Bhishma,Drona,Karna and all present on the battlefield had recognized Arjuna who was not an eunuch.
Nowhere written that Parshuram Shishya dropped weapons against Eunuch,Did Karna or Drona drop their weapons against Shikhandi ?
>>> 3)Karna had shakti in virat war... Still why he didn't used it in virat war...?
REFUTATION -
There can be many reasons -
1)Karna did not carry the Amogha Shakti in Virata yudha,it's evident that Shakti(A kind of Spear) was a physical weapon and not discharged using mantras,Karna might have not carried that in Virat Yudh.
2)Karna wanted to defeat Arjuna with his skill and not using a 'cheat code' to kill him,after Virat when he realized that he cannot defeat Arjuna using skill,he decided resorting to amogha shakti
>>> 4)Arjun couldn't defeat Bhagdatta in digvijay in 10 days.... How he defeated all kuru warriors in just half day ..?
REFUTATION -
Bhagadatta was invincible due to boon.Apart from that,During Virata war Arjun was much more powerful,he underwent training under Devas and Mahadeva.In Kurukshetra,Bhagadatta was defeated easily by Arjuna.
>>> 5) All kuru warriors attacked on virata & stolen their cows... Was hastinapur so poor country to attack on virata just for cows ....?
REFUTATION -
All this was pretty common those days,snatching cows,wealth,subjugating lands.This was the way through which the country used to grow.It does not mean hastinapur was poor.Virata had thousands of cows of various species.
>>> 6)Commander of Vitata, Keechak was already killed by bhima, hence virat was powerless country... Still Duryodhana need group of warriors like Bhishma, Karna, Drona & Ashwatthama to defeat poor king like Virat... LOL ... Does it make any sense ...?
REFUTATION -
Duryodhan was that person who took 80000 car warriors,30000 elephants,9000 horses and 1000k soldiers when he used to go out for a Picnic at dvaita forest,which unfortunately turned out to be his worst nightmare.And especially after seeing his large army compromised in the absence of Bhishma,Drona and Ashathama,it became imperative for him to bring his best men with him when he was going to Subjugate a kingdom and at the same time he was also expecting to see Pandavas.He had already witnessed the flop show of his brothers and Karna against Gandharvas.
>>> 7) In virat war, Under protection of hanuman he defeated all kuru warriors easily but what happened in kurushetra..? -- He slew Bhishma, Karna, Bhurishrava & Bhagdatta by cheating ...
REFUTATION -
Hanuman was not on Arjuna's flag during Virata war,Arjuna defeated all warriors on his own might.Even in Kurukshetra war,hanuman ji never protected Arjuna,nowhere written.
He did the same in Kurukshetra too,Defeated Bhishma on 2nd and 3rd day.Defeated Bhurisravas on 3rd day.Defeated Karna many times on 14th and 15th day,as badly as in Virat Yudha.While Bhagadatta was killed in one shot after losing Vaishnava Weapon.
They were killed unfairly because -
1)Bhishma : Killed as per the Boon of Shiva to Shikhandi
2)Karna : Killed as per the curse of Brahmin to Karna
3)Bhurisravas : Ordained to be killed by Satyaki but Satyaki,though a better warrior could have not killed him in fair fight due to Shiva's boon with Bhurisravas.
(Boons as curses needed to be fulfilled,Lord Krishna's decision)
>>> 8) In kurushetra, Arjun dropped weapons seeing Bhishma & Drona.. Then he need Gita Gyan... In virat war, Without Gita gyan he fought with Bhishma & nearly slew him... Does it make any sense ..?
REFUTATION -
A Very common question asked by people who believe Virat Yudha is later addition.
Let me explain,
Time is the greatest healer for any great injury or loss.Kurukshetra was fought several months after Virat.
Virat Yudh came at a time when Arjuna was still reeling in anger at the humiliation meted out to Draupadi and the Pandavas after the game of dice. His anger was not just targeted at Duryodhana or Dushasana, but also at Drona and Bhishma for remaning silent during the disrobing.
At the same time,he was also aware that this was not a war to death.He won't need to kill Bhishma and Drona to end this war.Neither would Bhishma or Drona try to kill him.His aim was just to protect the cattles and uttar,and teach the Kauravas a lesson.
But in Kurukshetra,the scene was much different.To end Kurukshetra,it was necessary for Arjuna to kill Bhishma,Drona,Kripa,Salya and other loved ones.A defeat of them could not have settled the matter this time.They had to be terminated this time,this is what's ordained.Lord Krishna sees him loosing strength and willingness to fight, he gives him what is known as “Gita Gyan”
>>> 9) Why king Virat allowed Uttar to fight against entire kuru army..?? ..... Was uttar such powerful warrior able to defeat entire kuru army ...?? ... Does it make any sense..?
REFUTATION -
King Virata never allowed Uttar to fight because King Virata was not in the palace to give uttar the permission.He was engaged with trigartas that time.Uttar himself was boasting that he will vanquish all the foes but he does not have a charioteer,so Sairandari(Draupadi) suggested that Brihanalla(Arjuna) could become his charioteer.
>>> 10) Pandava completed their exile successfully... Still Arjun without any reason disguised as 'Enuch Brihnalla' ... Why...?
REFUTATION -
The exile of Pandavas was completed only 5 days before Virat war(As Per Solar Calendar).Pandavas had decided a specific day when they were going to reveal themselves to Virat King.Yudhisthir's dice game earning had enabled them to purchase royal garments and jewellery.They attired themselves in royal garments and sat in Virat's council.They were not desperates to start enjoying the luxuries as soon and their term of exile is over.
>>> 11) Was sammohan astra such mighty weapon so all kuru warriors including Bhishma, Drona, Karna, Ashwatthama failed to counter it..?... Drona neutralised sammohan astra in kurushetra but why he failed in Virat war..? ... Why arjun not used sammohan astra in kurushetra again ..??
REFUTATION -
Sanmohan astra did not affected Bhishma.The Sanmohan weapon shot in Kurukshetra was shot by Drishtdyumna on Kauravas and not on Drona,and preceptor brought back them back to senses using Prajna Weapon.
Arjun shot Sammohan astra in Virat to end the war,as he did not wanted to kill any of them,he just needed to rescue the cattle.That was the aim of Virat Yudh.
The Kurukshetra war did not needed the Kurus to be rendered senseless,but their death.
>>> 12)All pandava supported Arjuna in drupad war ... Then why yudhistira allowed Arjuna to fight against all kuru maharathi alone ..??
REFUTATION -
Yudhisthir was not present in the palace to permit Arjuna for fighting alone with Kuru warriors.Yudhisthir,Bhima,Twins and king Virata were engaged in a war with the Trigartas who attacked from Northern side.
>>> 13) Why not even single important kuru warrior was slain by Arjun in virat war ..?? ... He couldn't kill any warrior just defeat them ..??
REFUTATION -
- Arjuna never wanted to kill Bhishma,Drona or Kripa,it's evident from Geeta Gyan need to Arjuna.
- Neither he really wanted to kill Ashwathama,they both respected each other.They were not enemies.
- Arjuna could not have killed Duryodhan and his 99 brothers due to the vow of Bhimasena.
- Neither Shakuni,due to Sahdeva's vow.
- Only Karna was the one in Dangerzone :P But he did not killed Karna as he was fighting for Virata and he needed the permission of King Virat to kill another king(King of Anga).
>>> 14) Arjuna was defeated by robbers & failed to save vrishni women from ordinary robbers ?? ... How he managed to rescue all cows from entire kuru army ..??.. LOL
REFUTATION -
Really foolish claim,has been discussed upteen times,that Arjuna lost divine weapons and strength as his purpose on earth was completed and Kaliyuga had started which had many restrictions.Apart from this,the Vrishni women were cursed to get caught in the hands of robbers,neither could the robbers defeat Arjuna when he was practically weaponless.
EXCEPT FEW, REST ALL CLAIMS WERE REALLY STUPID WHICH PROVE THAT THESE KARNA LOVERS HAVEN'T EVEN STUDIED MAHABHARAT PROPERLY.ONLY READ THOSE PORTIONS WHICH GLORIFY THEIR OVER GLORIFIED HERO :P
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PART 4)EXPOSING OTHER CLAIMS BY KARNA LOVERS REGARDING VIRAT WAR.
1) SUDDEN APPEARENCE OF DURGA WORSHIP IN VIRATA PARVA,HENCE IT'S INTERPOLATED -
These things are pretty common in epics,the chapter 6 of Virata Parva is a durga glorifying chapter which mentions the Mahishasura story too.A chapter having worship of Durga in Virat Parva does not mean that entire Parva is an interpolation.
Even Bhishma Parva has Durga worship,Arjuna wrote and sang a stotram for Maa Durga.By the logic of Blorndies,even Bhishma Parva would be interpolation then.
There are several Shiva and Narayana glorifying chapters in Mahabharat which point towards their worship,it does not mean they are fake.The last two chapters of Drona Parva point towards shiva worship,it does not mean they are fake or Drona Parva is interpolation.
None of the scholars have been able to prove that Virata war is interpolation.Because it's very much a part of the original epic.
2) MAHABHARAT VERSIONS REMOVING VIRATA YUDHA -
All versions of Ved Vyas Mahabharat have Virata Yudha and defeats of Kauravas and Karna.Only the Mahabharat 'RETELLINGS' written by some Pseudo writers of Kaliyuga who can't digest their heroes (Who actually are Villains) defeats have omitted Virat battle and also fabricated an altogether different version of Kurukshetra battle.
Some of these Pseudo re tellings are by - Devdutt Patanaik,Anand Neelkanthan,RC Dutta etc
Retelling means when another author understands a subjects and writes on the basis of his understanding.He might omit or fabricate things as per his likings.
While Translation means converting the Original Sanskrit Verses into Hindi or English,For Eg: KMG,Geeta Press,Debroy,MN Dutt etc.
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VERDICT -
Virata Battle is very much a part of original epic,infact through this battle only Duryodhan came to know about the Pandavas who had just completed their incognito stay.The battle has been mentioned upteen times later in the epic and many events later are connected through this battle,like Karna's ignorance when Dhrupad's purohit came as peace messenger to hastinapur,getting bashed by many for his defeats in this battle etc.
~PG
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