BHIMA vs KARNA,AGAIN ;)

This thread is divided into Three Parts -

PART 1)PROPAGANDA OF ARJUN'S OPINION ON BHIMA - KARNA DUELS ON 14TH DAY.

PART 2)ALL DEFEATS OF KARNA AGAINST BHIMA.

PART 3)EXPOSING FAKE DEFEATS OF BHIMA WHICH BLORNDIES GAVE.

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PART 1)PROPAGANDA OF ARJUN'S OPINION ON BHIMA - KARNA DUELS ON 14TH DAY -

(Half Info by Blorndies)

Blorndies say Arjun accepted that Bhima just made Karna Carless while Karna Vanquished Bhima,Lol,lets read again what were the complete words of Arjuna -

"Made carless by Yuyudhana, with thy senses no longer under thy control, thou wert almost at the point of death. Remembering, however, that I had vowed to slay thee, that hero dismissed thee without taking thy life"

*** Here Arjuna clearly mentions that Satyaki Spared Karna's life due to his vow :P

"It is true thou hadst succeeded in depriving Bhimasena of his car. Thy abuse, however, O son of Radha, of that hero was sinful."

*** Now,For Karna too Arjuna used the same term,that he Deprived Bhima of his car and not vanquished him.

"Those bulls among men that are truly righteous and brave, having vanquished a foe, never boast, nor speak ill of anybody. Thy knowledge, however, is little. It is for this, O son of a Suta, that thou indulged in such speeches. "

*** Here,Nowhere Arjuna says that Karna vanquished Bhima,he is talking how a righteous warrior should act.He says that one who is righteous doesn't abuse other warrior even when he Vanquishes his opponent,Karna however just made Bhima carless,still abusing.This was the real meaning of Arjuna's words.

http://sacred-texts.com/hin/m07/m07144.htm

Moreover when Karna was boasting,Bhima taunted him saying that he Vanquished Karna many times,but Blorndies like Ignorants are ignoring this -

"Bhimasena laughed aloud and addressing Karna said unto him these words in the hearing of all, 'O wicked wight, #repeatedly #hast #thou #been #vanquished #by #me. How canst thou indulge, then, in such idle boast?"

http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m07/m07135.htm

NOW....THE MOST IMPORTANT THING,NOWHERE DOES ARJUNA SAYS THAT KARNA SPARED BHIMA'S LIFE..ROFL :D ARJUNA JUST SAID THAT KARNA MADE BHIMA CARLESS ONCE WHEN BHIMA MADE HIM CARLESS MANY TIMES,HE DOES NOT MENTION KARNA SPARING BHIMA,LMAO.....NOW THE GREAT SANJAY WILL BECOME AN UNBAISED REPORTER,HE WILL REGAIN HIS TRUTHFULNESS,THE BLORNDIES WILL GO BACK IN THE ASYLUM OF SANJAY WHO MENTIONS THAT KARNA SPARED BHIMA :P

FOR BLORNDIES : YOU CAN'T HAVE YOUR CAKE AND EAT IT TOO :P

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PART 2)ALL DEFEATS OF KARNA AGAINST BHIMA -

Karna was a toy for Bhima,just read on how Bhima owned Karna big time ...

Please note,we won't be giving FAKE defeats like blorndies give.Where its clearly written that Karna is 'Defeated' or 'Vanquished' or 'Fled' or 'Retreated' only those will be considered as defeats.

>> 1st Defeat -

Narrative:

And that mighty car-warrior, viz., Bhima, deprived the four steeds also of Karna of their lives. The mighty car-warrior Karna then speedily jumping down, O king, from his steedless car, mounted the car of Vrishasena. The valiant Bhimasena then, having #vanquished Karna in battle, uttered a loud shout deep as the roar of the clouds. Hearing that roar, O Bharata, Yudhishthira became highly gratified, knowing that Karna had been #vanquished by Bhimasena.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m07/m07125.htm

Dhritrashtra also mentions Karna getting vanquished -

Dhritarashtra said, 'How raged that battle, in the neighbourhood of Arjuna's car, between those two mighty car-warriors, viz., Bhima and Karna, both of whom are endued with great strength? Once before Karna had been vanquished by Bhimasena in battle

http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m07/m07127.htm

>> 2nd Defeat -

Narrative:

Sanjaya said, 'Then the carless Karna, thus once more completely #defeated #by #Bhima, mounted another car and speedily began to pierce the son of Pandu.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m07/m07130.htm

>> 3rd Defeat -

Karna fled from Bhimasena.

Narrative:

Then, O king, Karna thus afflicted by Bhima's might, became exceedingly distressed. And that illustrious warrior then #fled, forsaking the battle, #borne #away by his fleet steeds. The Atiratha Bhimasena, however, drawing his bow adorned with gold, stayed in battle, looking resplendent like a blazing fire.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m07/m07130.htm

>> 4th Defeat -

Karna again fled from Bhimasena.

Narrative:

Then, O monarch, Bhima, excited with rage, sped nine straight shafts at the Suta's son. Those keen shafts, piercing through Karna's coat of mail and right arm, entered the earth like snakes into an ant-hill. Shrouded with showers of shafts shot from Bhimasena's bow, Karna once more #turned #his #back upon Bhimasena.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m07/m07132.htm

Duryodhan sending his brothers to protect Karna from Bhima :P Read the beautiful words of Duryodhan

Narrative:

Beholding the Suta's son #turn #back #and #flying #away #on #foot, covered all over with the arrows of Kunti's son, Duryodhana said, 'Go ye quickly from all sides towards the car of Radha's son.'

www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m07/m07132.htm

>> 5th Defeat -

Karna yet again fled from Bhima.

Narrative:

With those arrows shot from Gandiva which entered Karna's body like so many snakes, Dhananjaya drove the Suta's son from Bhimasena's vicinity. His bow cut off by Bhima, and himself afflicted with the arrows of Dhananjaya, Karna quickly #fled #away #from #Bhima on his great car.

www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m07/m07135.htm

Karna struck in fear of Arjun,Ashwathama protected him here from Arjun's weapon :P

Narrative:

Then Dhananjaya, with eyes red in wrath, aiming at Karna, quickly sped a shaft like the Destroyer urging forward Death's self. That shaft shot from Gandiva, like Garuda in the welkin in quest of a mighty snake, quickly coursed towards Karna. The son of Drona, however, that mighty car-warrior, with a winged arrow of his, cut it off in mid-air, desirous of rescuing Karna from fear of Dhananjaya.

>> 6th Defeat -

Bhima spares Karna's life due to Arjuna's vow of killing Karna.

Narrative:

Bhima also, raising his fierce fists that were endued with the force of the thunder, desired to slay the Suta's son. Soon, however, he recollected Arjuna's vow. The son of Pandu, therefore, though competent, spared the life of Karna, from desire of not falsifying the vow that Savyasachin had made.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m07/m07135.htm

Blorndies say how can Bhima kill Karna here when Bhima was weaponless.With the power of his fists couldn't have Bhima broken the face of Karna ? Just like he killed so many powerful and mightier demons with his physical strength like Bakasur,Hidimb,Jarasanda,Keechak,Kirmeera.Lordy was still a human.

>> 7th Defeat -

17th Day - Karna with Vijaya bow and Parshuram's divine Chariot.

Narrative:

Thus sped by the mighty Bhima, that shaft, making a noise loud as that of the thunder, pierced through thunderbolt Karna in that battle, like the thunderbolt itself piercing through a mountain. Struck by Bhimasena, O perpetuator of Kuru's race, the Suta's son, that commander (of thy forces), sat down senseless on the terrace of his car. The ruler of the Madras then, beholding the Suta's son deprived of his senses, bore that ornament of battle away on his car, from that fight. Then after #Karna's #defeat, Bhimasena began to rout the vast Dhartarashtra host like Indra routing the danavas.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m08/m08050.htm

Even Dhritrashtra says that Karna was defeated -

Narrative:

Beholding, however, that son of Radha now #defeated #by #Bhima in battle, what did my son Duryodhana next do?

Even Duryodhan who was present in battlefield, sends his brothers for protecting Karna who was struck down in fear of Bhima -

Narrative:

Go ye quickly, blessed be ye, and #protect the #son of #Radha who is plunged into that fathomless ocean of calamity represented by the #fear #of #Bhimasena."

http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m08/m08051.htm

>> 8th Defeat -

Karna defeated in the Rajsuyi conquest of Bhima -

(Blorndies have given a foolish theory for this,I will expose that later)

Narrative:

"And making the earth tremble by means of his troops consisting of the four kinds of forces, the foremost of the Pandavas then encountered #Karna that slayer of foes. And, O Bharata, having #subjugated #Karna and brought him under his sway"

www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m02/m02029.htm

HINDI QUOTE FROM GEETA PRESS EDITION-

पाण्डव-श्रेषृ भीम पृथ्वीको कम्पित-सी करते हुए चतुरंगिणी सेना साथ ले शत्रुघाती कर्णके साथ युध्द छेड़ दिया । भारत ! उस युध्दमें कण॔को परास्त अपने वशमें कर लेनेके पश्चात बलवान भीमने पर्वतीय राजाअोंपर विजय प्राप्त की ।

SCREENSHOT - http://bit.ly/1yN2BeQ

>> 9th Defeat-

Those winged shafts, piercing through Karna's body, entered the earth, like the rays of the sun piercing through the clouds. Afflicted with arrows and his bow cut off, Karna, though proud of his manliness, felt great pain and proceeded to another car."

http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m07/m07128.htm

Here Karna was completely mangled by Bhima's arrows,deprived of his weapons and car.

In the next chapter we read Dhritrashtra mentioning that Karna turned away from battlefield-

Narrative:

"What, indeed, O Sanjaya, did Duryodhana say when he saw that Karna turning away from the field upon whom my sons had reposed all their hopes of victory?"

SO BHIMA DEFEATED KARNA NINE TIMES,WHERE ITS CLEARLY MENTIONED THAT KARNA WAS 'VANQUISHED' OR 'FLED' OR 'DEFEATED' OR 'RETREATED'

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PART 3)EXPOSING THE FAKE DEFEATS OF BHIMA GIVEN BY BLORNDIES -

The blorndies who live in some sort of Delusion have given some fake defeats of Bhima against Karna on their Page.Lets expose them one by one.

>> 1st Defeat Given by Blorndies -

Here Karna spares Bhima,after retreating four times and coming back fresh with weapons and chariot and in this process 31 brothers of Duryodhan were sacrificed too in an attempt to protect Lordy :P

We have given a comprehensive analysis over this,you can check it here - http://on.fb.me/1JUA7XP

In my opinion its not really a defeat,If blorndies consider this as a defeat of Bhima then so be it.This is the best they can expect from their lord.Retreating four times,coming back fresh with weapons and chariot, then shooting arrows on a weaponless warrior and sparing his life...huh

>> 2nd Defeat Given by Blorndies -

Nowhere written that Bhima fled or retreated or Karna Vanquished/Defeated Bhima,wrong incident pointed by Karna fans.Bhima was weaponless so he went to fight with Kauravas with a mace.How does this become a defeat of Bhima?

>> 3rd Defeat Given by Blorndies -

Again nowhere written that Bhima fled or retreated."Avoiding" does not mean defeat.Even Bhishma avoided Abhimanyu,Arjun avoided Ashwathama,Bhishma avoided Arjuna,Arjuna avoided Drona.This is not a defeat or fleeing.

>> 4th Defeat Given by Blorndies -

HAHAHA,Karna fans are cheats....Nowhere is the name of Bhima given in that narrative and Blorndies have themselves added Bhima's name there :P

Narrative by third class cheap blorndies - "And Shikhandi, and Sahadeva, and Nakula, and Nakula's son, and Sanamejaya, and #BHIMASENA and the grandson of Sini(satyaki), and innumerable "

Original Narrative - And Shikhandi, and Sahadeva, and Nakula, and Nakula's son, and Janamejaya, and the grandson of Sini, and innumerable

No mention of Bhimasena here,infact Bhima was fighting with Kaurav warriors that time-

Narrative:

While the son of Radha was thus engaged with the Pandavas, Bhimasena, filled with rage, began to slaughter the Kurus with shafts, every one of which resembled the lord of Yama.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m08/m08056.htm

BLORNDIES ARE CHEATERS >_<

Moreover Its true that Karna encountered 8 Bowmen,but he was unable to defeat them.He was only able to counter them.Nowhere written that those Maharthas were defeated or they retreated.

>> 5th Defeat Given by Blorndies -

Here 'turn back from the fight' is used for five sons of Druapadi and not for Bhima,Cedis and Panchals,because in the next line we see Karna fighting with Panchalas and Cedis,so if those warriors turned back from fight,how would they fight with Karna immediately ?

Narrative:

Within the twinkling of an eye he then deprived the (five) sons of Draupadi of their cars, O bull of Bharata's race, which seemed exceedingly wonderful. Indeed, with his straight shafts casting those heroes to turn back from the fight, the heroic Karna began to slay the Pancalas and many mighty car-warriors among the Cedis.

Moreover we can also read Bhima destroying Kauravas after this,so if Bhima turned his back from the fight how did he destroy the Kauravas ?

Narrative:

Even thus a great destruction took place among the Pandavas everywhere on the field, and even thus thy army also suffered great loss at the hands of the mighty Bhima.

http://sacred-texts.com/hin/m08/m08078.htm

There is absolutely no chance that Bhima was mentioned in those warriors who 'turned their back',That was for Draupadi's sons.

>> 6th Defeat Given by Blorndies -

This one is a little better,Karna 'Crushing those bowmen' which definitely included Bhima and Karna reached Yudhisthir too.But still it cannot be considered as a clear defeat of Bhima.However this one is the only impact I see Karna making over Bhima.But its not really a comprehensive defeat of Bhima at all.

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CONCLUSION -

BHIMA CLEARLY DEFEATING KARNA - 9 TIMES
KARNA CLEARLY DEFEATING BHIMA - 0 TIMES

RESULT SHOULD BE CLEAR.

MISCONCEPTION : Sanjay was Biased reporter - http://on.fb.me/1AbnaZM